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Winged Humanoid Tutorial by jerica128 Winged Humanoid Tutorial by jerica128
NOTE: this is an updated version of my winged human tutorial found on my first account here --> :icondymira128: www.deviantart.com/art/Winged-…

Much of the information is the same but I have also added extra details and changed a few small things overall


While working on my book, I put a great deal of thought into one of the main races found in the book, the legnarians. I have tried to make this race a "possible" as I could while still keeping some of the fantasy feel thus many large anatomy changes from the normal human.

This tutorial is basically the big points I have come up with for the legnarians and what I think could help with anyone who is working on their own winged races.

Cheers and happy drawing :ahoy:

Cheryl

legnarians/Askerda Saga c) me
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DuskMirror Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love this tutorial; it's the best I've found on the subject. I just have wo questions, since I'm working on a race of winged humanoids for a story of mine.

A) Would it be easier for them to fly if they were around 4'6" tall instead of human-sized?
B) Would it make sense for them to have both hollow bones and air sacs? As in, would their bodies be sturdy enough to handle a bit of damage that way?
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you so much :D

A) The main thing  to think about is weight. The smaller the stature the better but as long as the wing size/weight/blahblahblah gives the body enough lift then go for it.
B) Hollow bones don't do much with weight overall and they are actually very strong. Air sacs are mainly used for increased oxygen absorption, as the energy required for flight is incredibly high, and to distribute weight. They don't do much for or against sturdiness (falcons can slam onto prey at very high speeds and fly away easy) so I wouldn't worry too much on damage.

In any case, everything is your final decision in the long run ;);)
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PineRain Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This is sincerely the best tutorial of its kind I've found. I can already see it will help me with my winged character so much! Thanks for sharing! 
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Very welcome, glad I could help :D
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CJCroen Featured By Owner May 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awesome!
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ThallenCambricaltran Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014  Student General Artist
Amazing! I've been working on a winged character of my own, but I wasn't entirely sure how to make him more realistic. This was TONS of help though, especially with the folded wings, thank you!
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're very welcome :D

Always glad to help ;)
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TheWhiteJewel Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014
I adore all the work put into this. It's quite inspiring and opens my eyes up to the possibilities. Oh the joys of fantasy! :D
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you so much :D
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ArtilleryStrike2 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
I have to say that I love both of these tutorials and that I have a few questions I would like to ask you.
1) Where did you get your numbers from? I'm very interested in the mathematical aspect of this and I've seen several different numbers of the mass of a human skeleton and how much you could save but doing various things to it and I would like to know about how you did your calculations.
2) I assume that if a winged humanoid landed that they would need to land on their feet. As it would seem safer than trying to land on all fours. Wouldn't landing on their feet force the loss of the calf feathers as a control surface because they would be preoccupied with landing?
3) I love the idea of the calf feathers and I agree with you that the legs would need a source of lift but, would adding a tail add that much weight as humans still have remnants of tails? Wouldn't the only added weight be in the feathers and muscles to move them, which would be greatly offset by the loss of weight from hollow bones and other such modifications?
In any case I'm not trying to criticize your design I just wanted to ask a few questions as I find trying to rework things to do things they were not meant to do interesting, like making humans able to fly for example. Thank you.      
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PuffyMarshmellows160 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Student General Artist

One more question

 if a flying humanoid did have a tail and bird like legs and talons could that work 0-o Just curious.

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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, it's not that hard. Bird legs are almost all bone and tendons so you could make the lower torso more like a bird (ie fused pelvic girdle, lengthened tail, skinny legs, etc.) and be good on weight, unless you make the legs real long (which could put off the COG). It's actually more efficient having more bird-like parts. I thought about that when coming up with the legnarians but I wanted them to be more human-esque so I had to figure it out another way :D
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otterchild Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
This is great! One question though; where are you placing the musculature for the wings? I don't see any changes to human musculature. Just curious. Lovely work!
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks so much :D

The musculature is built in under and around the "small" muscles of the arms (the second set of pecs, for example, stretches from about the collarbone to the bottom of the ribcage). I'm planning on possibly doing a second tutorial with the muscles and skeleton but we shall see ;)
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Fractaldragon Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
This is exceedingly well thought out. Bravo! :)
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks so much :D
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Bastet-Sekhmet Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013
Love the details of the tutorial!~ 
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you much :D
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PuffyMarshmellows160 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013  Student General Artist
hey do mind if I use this tutorial? im writing my own story and my avis humanoid design is very similar, so do you mind?
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Fine with me :)

Just as long as names and such are different ;)
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PuffyMarshmellows160 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Student General Artist
kk thanks :D
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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derkomai3523 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013
really well thought mixing! =)
I still prefer to keep one kind on a creature (just feathers or just fur) but, intersting thoughts!
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you much :)
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XaiIrken Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The detail in this tutorial in brilliant, I love that you've explained the anatomy and why you changed the proportions of the human form. This is very useful! :)
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks so much :D

Glad you thought it was helpful ;)
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ResidentBrain Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Last year I spent quite a while trying to design a harpy that could physically exist and found that all things considered, there was literally no choice but to give it arms or else it wouldn't be able to eat - good luck using massively clawed and deadly eagle feet to lift meat to your relatively small, non-protruding mouth without slashing your fleshy lips and face! 

I also realised that it would have to permanently learn forward at the waist to balance the length/weight of...I think mine had 4 meter wings. But I reckon the most fun part was figuring it out so that this massively feathered and clawed beast of a bird could pass for a human female to attract prey. Maybe this is a weird question, but I'm legitimately curious...do the females of your species lay eggs or live young, and does that affect your design?

Your ideas about the calf-wings (I never quite figured out what to do with my legs, and this seems like genius!) second pectorals (I was more focused on shoulder muscles) and neck are very interesting. Plus, I just thing the way you draw wings is very pretty, haha! 

I'd be really interested to see the muscle tutorial if you ever made it.
 

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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh I had the same problems. This is literally a mumble of stuff from over four or so years :giggle:

Legnarians are genetically avian but, of course, there are diversions from a normal bird. Females give birth to one live young at a time, but they are much smaller than a normal human child (they average about 10 to 15oz at birth) so the mother does not gain a huge amount of weight. Even though they can technically still fly, mothers usually don't the last few months of pregnancy (which can last about 5 months). Since they are not mammals, they have no mammary ducts, so, the females do not have breasts like humans. The only main difference in appearance is the effect of testosterone and estrogen to their faces, voices, and amount of muscle (though the effect on the muscle size is small compared to humans).

I have A LOT more to this but that be the basics, hope it answers some questions ;)

And thanks, I love drawing wings (don't do them as much as I want though :giggle: )
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MrThesaurus Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is a great tutorial! I'm just noticing that the arms you draw seem to be a little long, especially in that first drawing. He looks a bit ape like. Other than that this tutorial is excellent! You definitely took your time with this and put a lot of thought in. Great work!
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks so much :D

Actually, the arm length is completely intentional. Since they have a tree/cliff based lifestyle they often go to all fours while taking off, climbing, etc. Their palms, fingers and toes have also lengthened to help in this as well ;)
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MrThesaurus Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I noticed that your other artwork all had consistent arm lengths shortly after I saw this tutorial. It made me wonder why you would have 'messed up' on this one. But I see now that you had an intention for it. Great job, sorry for the misunderstanding. ^^'
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No worries :D

I get asked about it a lot, so I'm used to it :thumbsup:;)
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Dmitriev0 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
And how would you proceed if the wings covered him frontally (like a shell)?
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
For random protection or every day placement?

If you wanted them folded all the way closed in the front, you would either need to get rid of the arms and move them to the sides or give a few extra bones to stretch them around (would be pretty funky that way though). Birds can stretch their wings around when open (called mantling) where they basically form a "tent" over their prey --> www.flickr.com/photos/loshak/5…

That could be a form of "shell" I guess :shrug:
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Dmitriev0 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist Artist

I searched -in vain- for the wings' position I had in mind.

I was thinking as a normal body (if you want to do it realistic it doesn't look as pretty) and the wings, slightly bigger (imagine a guy as an albatros with huge wings) folded straightly in front of him, leaving space for his head, a bit like a protection.

Or like an angel or a demon coming to tell you you're dead.

That's the guy with wings; >I<

Same guy but with closed wings; \/*

 

*The slashes are the wings and the is his head.

 

Any tutorial about that kind of folding? Or a drawing? Or a simple scrap?

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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ahh, kind of like how some bats can wrap their wings all the way around themselves (or like Batman with his cape :giggle:). I think you would need to extend the "finger bones" and un-fuse them so the end of the wing could be more flexible.

If I make a skeletal/muscle tut, I might do some random sketch dump stuff at the end ;)
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IndigoOfTheHeavens Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2013  Student General Artist

Genius. O_O You just helped me figure out how my own avian species was able to do that increased flexibility with the wings there. O_O~

 

I would LOVE to see any muscular and skeletal structure tutorials you do! XD I love that sort of thing! :3

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jerica128 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Always glad to help :giggle:

Been super busy writing but getting to a place that might give me some time to to another tut ;)
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Dmitriev0 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Thank you very muchLa la la la 
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No problemo ;)
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Girlfoxgirl Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013  Student Writer
Wonderfully in depth. I may not use this but I do respect the amount of thought and research you put into it- it seems to cover a lot of important areas! Love the anatomy and in depth info, even down to center of gravity, etc; that's great.
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you much :D
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ornithopteryx Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013  Professional General Artist
Very interesting ideas! 
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jerica128 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Many thanks :D
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